RE: [ihc] About those parking brakes .....

[bearbvd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Greg Hermann)]

At 4:40 AM 10/2/04, Steven Stegmann wrote:
>Very simple.
>
>If they want power and fuel, build the power plants
>and refineries where the stuff will be used.  The
>thing that disturbs me about most do-gooders is that
>they aren't trying to lower pollution.  Just move it
>somewhere else.
>
>Like moving the power plants to Four Corners Az.  I'll
>never forgive them for that.
>
>Steve

In that case, I really do think it's cheaper , energy-wise, to ship the
power (transmission lines) than to ship the coal. Surely cheaper
economically.

Besides--they needed jobs for the n1gahoes, so they could pay for their own
hootch over in Sh1trock---

Greg (worked start-up at San Juan #2)

>--- Tom Harais <THarais@domain.elided> wrote:
>
>> The larger the population, the more difficult it is
>> to keep the
>> movers and shakers on the path of reason. No one
>> knows who they are, so they
>> can't be shamed into acting sensibly.
>>
>> Actually John:
>>
>> Population is the driving force behind all the
>> issues of the day anyway.
>> California is head and shoulders above any other
>> state, and probably most
>> countries on this factor.  Only, no one wants to
>> speak to that.  If
>> California's population was half of what it is, the
>> resultant environmental
>> issues would be cut in half as well.  Thus, the
>> utopian drive to legislate
>> problems out of existence would not have the urgency
>> that our population
>> creates.
>>
>> The reason I bring this up is, that all these people
>> had to come from
>> somewhere.  It's not natural growth due to birth
>> rates.  They continue to
>> come at about 1M per year, mostly from other states.
>>  (You Oregon folks that
>> think that Californians are moving there in droves
>> and ruining your state
>> need to review your assumptions!)
>>
>> Now I'm not advocating that we can put a moat around
>> the state and just lock
>> all newcomers out.  But I'm absolutely flabbergasted
>> to know that, even with
>> our traffic problems, our environmental issues, our
>> poor employment outlook,
>> and housing that starts at $500,000/unit
>> ($1,500/month for rentals), those
>> 1M souls continue to come every year, adding to the
>> problems.
>>
>> To put some perspective on it take the population of
>> the state where you
>> (any of you) live and divide it by your state's
>> total area.  Compare this
>> to:
>>
>> CA 36,000,000 people/164,000 sq mi = 220 people per
>> sq mi
>>
>> Compare the highest population state to:
>>
>> The second most populated state:
>> TX 22,000,000 people/262,000 sq mi = 84 people per
>> sq mi
>>
>> The least populated state:
>> WY 501,000 people/97,000 = 5 persons per sq mi
>>
>> The largest state:
>> AK 648,000 people/572,000 sq mi = 1 person per sq mi
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that there are more cars than people in
>> CA at this time
>> (literally).  Think of the implications in cars/sq
>> mile.
>>
>> It's numbers, sheer numbers!  Perhaps madness too.
>> What the heck do you do
>> with 36M people?
>>
>> Tom H., '76 Traveler