Re: [ihc] 727 Rebuild & Shift kits?

[Colin M Rush <salmineo@xxxxxxxx>]

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:44:39 -0800 Colin M Rush <salmineo@domain.elided>
writes:
> James, 
>        The two bearings I were talking about were the Scout II 
> output shaft, and the TravelAll output shaft, which should be the 
> same as the pickup.  I spent many months looking for the 307 bearing 
> to fit the Scout II about 3 years ago, and had McGuire Bearing 
> research it for me.  (Not sure if you have McGuire Bearing in your 
> area, but they are the main bearing supplier for Oregon and 
> Washington).  They tried all of their suppliers, and were to the 
> point of telling me that the only way they could get them would be 
> to have a limited run made.  Besides being expensive, I would have 
> had to have many of them made, which was too expensive.  The problem 
> was the shaft diameter.  There were many 307 bearings available, but 
> when they got to the inside diameter of the race, they were all too 
> small.  They were of the opinion that they were a limited production 
> run that IHC had made, and that is why they are not listed anywhere. 
>  When the stock was gone, that was all.  I have a nagging suspicion 
> that BCA 207XLO is one of the ones I looked at that did not fit.  
> Same on the MRC 307MS.  I will go in and ask to look at those again. 
>  
>         Mister Scout has a kit that takes a 307 bearing with an 
> oversized inner race and reduces it via a sleeve, and a separate 
> spacer.  While it works, it will not work on certain 2WD 
> transmissions, as it blocks the threads on the speedo drive gear.  
> Also, since it has fewer balls than the OEM bearing (something like 
> 8 versus the original 10), it is actually a lighter duty bearing 
> than stock.  I tried the NAPA warehouse, who said they had nothing.  
> (If you have a NAPA number, I would like to get that from you.)  I 
> tried the MoPar dealer, who looked in a large book with all of the 
> bearings that they offer for their different TorqueFlite 
> transmissions, and then looked at each bearing, none of which were 
> even close.  I finally asked Terry Davidson at Bearing Tech about 
> it, and he simply made the bearing for our club Scout II (no idea on 
> price, as he donated it for the project).  He also made one for our 
> club president's T'All, in an afternoon, for the trans I was 
> rebuilding.  He can rebuild your old one if you need, and can also 
> put ceramic balls in it for super heavy-duty use.  FYI, the ones 
> that SkoutParts.com sells are made for them by Terry Davidson.  
>         I am curious.  Your '79 Scout II, is it a 4x4, or 2x4?  If 
> it is a 2x4, does it have the 4x4 output shaft with a yoke instead 
> of a gear (like what I have seen), or is it something different 
> altogether?
> -Colin
> 
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:32:52 -0700 "James Lidberg" 
> <jameslidberg@domain.elided> writes:
> > As far as I know there are 2 different output shaft bearings, one 
> of 
> > which is cheap and plentiful, the other is 
> > unobtainium except as you describe below.
> > 
> > My '79 has the cheap easy to find bearing. When I rebuilt the 
> > tranny, I had a machine shop press the bushings and also 
> > replace that bearing and its seal. They got it at NAPA and it cost 
> 
> > about $11 3 years ago.
> > 
> > rockauto.com shows it as a
> > BCA 207XLO / for Chrysler 13407 transmission $32
> > ***************
> > also, here is from the BB:
> > Posted By: Hooper <mailto:pdecker@domain.elided?subject=TF 727 
> 
> > Rear Bearing Part Number> (208.37.228.35)
> > Date: 9/6/02 2:44 p.m.
> >     I was recently sent an email telling me
> >     Applied Industrial Solutions, Long Beach, Ca 562-437-2201 Has 
> 
> > the MRC 307MS
> >     bearing $43.90
> >     This is the bearing in the tail of the 727 housing that the 
> > output shaft rides in. I spent a bunch of time looking 
> > for someone who had one that worked, and I and others could not 
> find 
> > one. If anyone can confirm or dispute this 
> > information, I would appreciate it.
> >     Thanks.
> >     Patrick 
> > ***************
> > and another post re: that same place:
> > Posted By: Larry W. <mailto:lew2nav@domain.elided?subject=Re: 727 
> > Tailshaft Bearing> (198.81.26.12)
> > Date: 5/20/03 7:02 p.m.
> > In Response To: Re: 727 Tailshaft Bearing (Jim Grammer)
> >     I was in L.A. on a business trip about a month ago and called 
> 
> > Applied Industrial Solutions, they said they had the 
> > MRC 307 M5 in stock. I went there and all they had was the 
> standard 
> > 307 with a larger I.D.
> >     As I said in my posting this morning, I ordered it from 
> > Skoutparts.com. The guy I talked to didn't really know much 
> > about it, but would see if they are in stock. He called me back a 
> 
> > bit later and said he would have it tomorrow and sen 
> > d it out. Pricing mistake on the web had it for $75, that's their 
> 
> > cost. Corrected price is $115 + S&H of $10. He was 
> > good enough to sell it to me for the $75, which I thought was 
> > good... Part # changed this morning to 432941C91, whis is 
> > a bearing. The original # of 432928C1 was a brake lever.
> >     I DO like their pictures of the parts, more assuring buying 
> over 
> > the web than just a "should be".
> >     Larry W. 
> > ****************
> > and her is another post from the BB:
> > Posted By: Chris Bryant <mailto:cbryant_1@domain.elided?subject=Re: 
> 727 
> > Tail Shaft Bearing> (209.4.16.17)
> > Date: 5/22/03 11:30 a.m.
> > In Response To: 727 Tail Shaft Bearing (Larry W.)
> >     Sorry I couldn't post sooner, been out of town. Anyway if 
> > someone hasn't already said so, Bearing Tech, Inc. in 
> > Carlton, OR makes a replacement bearing that slips right in and 
> > works perfect. Their price wasn't too bad either for a 
> > custom bearing. tel 503-852-6030, the guy I ordered mine from was 
> 
> > Terry Davidson.
> >     Hope this helps,
> >     Chris 
> > **************************
> >   
> > 
> > - Jim in Mesa
> > 
> > >         If you need a new rear output shaft bearing, they are 
> not
> > > available new, anywhere, although I have heard that John Fleck 
> has 
> > some
> > > NOS ones.  However, there is a fellow in our club that is a 
> > bearing
> > > supplier, and he makes new ones, and also rebuilds your old one. 
>  
> > He
> > > rebuilt the one in John and Lisa's TravelAll, and made a brand 
> new 
> > one
> > > for our club Scout II project.  He can make/build them with 
> > either
> > > standard steel ball bearings, or can make them with high-load 
> > ceramic
> > > bearings, which makes it a much more heavy-duty unit.  I can get 
> 
> > you his
> > > name and number if you like.
> > 
> > 
> > **************
> > Jim In Mesa - James Lidberg
> > jameslidberg@domain.elided
> > '79 Scout II/4X4/345/Edelbrock 1400/727/D20/3.07 
> > open/PS/PB/4"Trailmaster
> > Copyright 2004 All rights reserved
> > 
> > 

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